Dr. Miriam Grossman Exposes the Truth About Transgender Teens & Gender Ideology

Since 2010, cases of gender dysphoria have skyrocketed 5000% percent. Many of these individuals are teens, particularly teen girls.

Dr. Miriam Grossman, child and adolescent psychiatrist and author of “Lost in Trans Nation,” joins HLI’s Living a Culture of Life podcast to expose what’s really happening behind the transgender movement—especially when it comes to transgender children.

In this powerful interview, Dr. Grossman explains why so many teens, especially girls, are being fast-tracked into gender affirming care without addressing underlying mental health conditions like autism, anxiety, and ADHD. She breaks down how “affirmation” has replaced real diagnosis, and why puberty blockers and surgeries are dangerous and irreversible.

Dr. Miriam Grossman has been on the front lines for decades. She has testified before the U.S. Congress and the United Nations, and she’s featured in Matt Walsh’s viral documentary “What Is a Woman?”

On this episode, Dr. Miriam Grossman explains why “gender affirming care” is NOT evidence-based. She explains why underlying mental health factors must be addressed. And she offers advice to parents who want to protect their children from gender ideology. Listen now to find out how you can protect kids from the woke mind virus.

Miriam Grossman, MD is board certified in psychiatry and in the sub-specialty of child and adolescent psychiatry. The author of four books, Dr. Grossman’s work exposing the origin and hazards of the sexuality and gender industry has been translated into eleven languages. She has lectured at the British House of Lords and the United Nations, and she is featured in Daily Wire’s “What is a Woman?”

Dr. Grossman’s Website: Gender Ideology | Miriam Grossman Md

Get your copy of “Lost in Trans Nation. A Child Psychiatrist’s Guide Out of the Madness” here: Amazon.com: Lost in Trans Nation: A Child Psychiatrist’s Guide Out of the Madness

Dr. Grossman’s Congressional Testimony: Dr. Miriam Grossman’s Testimony House Committee on Energy and Commerce (youtube.com)

Related: What Percentage of People are Transgender? Trans Statistics | HLI

Transcript

Colleen (Host): Hello and welcome to Living a Culture of Life podcast by Human Life International. I’m your host, Colleen, and I’m joined today by Dr. Miriam Grossman. Welcome!

Dr. Miriam Grossman: Hi Colleen, it’s wonderful to have you on the show today.

Colleen (Host): Dr. Grossman is the author of—let me get this correct—Lost in Transnation: A Child Psychiatrist’s Guide Out of the Madness. That obviously is a really big title, and we’re going to be talking a little bit about some of the key points that you discuss in your book today.

So before we dive into the content of your book, could you just give our audience a little background on who you are and what your credentials are for talking about this?

Dr. Miriam Grossman:Sure. Well, I’m a board-certified child, adolescent, and adult psychiatrist. So I went to medical school—as opposed to PhD psychologists, who don’t go through medical school—a psychiatrist does complete medical school and an internship, which I did in Pediatrics, and then a residency, which I did in Psychiatry, and then child psychiatry. So I have many, many years of training.

Then, after completing that training, I’ve been in practice seeing young people and their parents for decades—probably 35 years or so, something like that.

Colleen (Host): Yeah, so you’ve seen this all unfold.

Dr. Miriam Grossman:I’ve seen it unfold, and most recently, in the past four years or so, my private practice has been dedicated only to seeing teenagers who have distress about being male or female, and their parents. So that’s really all that I’ve been doing.

It was my experience doing that that led me to write the book. My book, Lost in Transnation: A Child Psychiatrist’s Guide Out of the Madness, came out last year.

While it is primarily for parents, I really believe it should be read by everybody because this is such a massive issue right now in our society and culture. It’s being pushed in a very aggressive manner to all of us, but especially to children. People really must understand what it’s all about—where did the ideas underlying gender ideology come from, what do they mean, why are they dangerous, and how to protect your families.

Colleen (Host): For sure. I’ve been reading through the book—I haven’t finished it yet—but it’s so well laid out. I found it incredibly helpful to be able to look at where this came from, where it’s going, and how to actually help and walk with people who are struggling with this instead of putting them on the conveyor belt to transition. Obviously, I’m not in favor of that in general, but it’s good to see what actual things are out there to help them instead of what’s being pushed in the industry.

Dr. Miriam Grossman:Yes, and I want to mention that there are extremely rare individuals—maybe one in tens of thousands or even hundreds of thousands—who, for whatever reason, and we don’t know the reason, have a sense of extreme discomfort with their male or female bodies.

We’ve always known in psychiatry that this existed, and we considered it to be a psychiatric disorder. So in my book, and in general, I’m not speaking of those people. I’m speaking about the recent epidemic of young people—mostly adolescent girls, a lot of boys as well, but a majority girls—who are uncomfortable with their sexed bodies, and they want to medicalize and take hormones and alter their bodies so that they might look as the opposite sex. So that’s really the population here that we’re talking about.

In general, I want to underscore that these people—many of them—are really suffering, and that shouldn’t get lost in all the discussion of the politics and everything that’s happening in culture. Everything that I’m going to be saying on this podcast—we shouldn’t allow the fact that these are real people, real families that we’re dealing with, who need help, need compassion, and need to know the truth—to be dismissed.

Dr. Miriam Grossman on Gender Affirming Care

Colleen (Host): It seems like your book is basically laying out some of the best ways to actually help these individuals deal with their suffering, rather than the so-called “gender affirmation” that isn’t actually helping them deal with that suffering. It’s giving them a false idea of what will help with the mental struggles they’re having instead of actually treating the underlying anxiety or other issues that are causing it. Is that correct?

Dr. Miriam Grossman:Right. Well, we know that in the vast majority of young people in this sort of epidemic that I described—it’s an increase of 5,000% over the past 10 to 15 years—it was an extremely, extremely rare phenomenon when I went to medical school and trained to be a psychiatrist. I never dreamt that I would see even one person in my entire life who had this condition that we now call gender dysphoria.

And now, as I told you, Colleen, my entire practice is simply focused on these people—these kids mostly—and I could be working 24/7 because there are just so many families that need help right now.

So, in this particular group—which, you know, we call a cohort (that’s kind of the medical or scientific term we use to indicate a group)—in this cohort there is an astonishingly high rate of mental illness such as depression, anxiety, self-harm behavior, being on the autism spectrum (which would be neurodiversity), ADHD (also a form of neurodiversity), history of trauma, history of adverse childhood events.

It’s really almost every kid that has this complaint. If you begin speaking to them and get to know them, you’ll discover they suffer from other emotional conditions.

The problem with gender affirming care—which is the model of care for these kids in our country, in Canada, and in other places as well—is that it’s based on the premise that the child knows best, regardless of their age, regardless of their other emotional issues or their situations at home.

That can be disregarded. What’s important is their feelings at the moment. Gender affirming care calls for practitioners and family members, parents, and teachers to immediately rubber-stamp a child’s new identity and put that child in the driver’s seat, so to speak.

So, if the child—let’s say a 10-year-old, a 12-year-old, or even younger—announces that they feel they’re the opposite sex, they want a new name, new pronouns, and want to use the opposite sex bathrooms, then gender affirming care instructs all the adults—all the authorities in that child’s life—to essentially rubber-stamp that.

And, you know, this is not what medicine is about. We don’t do this in any other field of medicine, and certainly not in psychiatry. If someone comes to a mental health practitioner with some complaint or distress, we explore, we get to know them, we ask a lot—we’re supposed to ask a lot of questions.

We’re supposed to find out about their home life, life at school, with friends, whether there’s any history of trauma. We have to find out about their sexuality—do they feel attracted to the same sex—and so many other things that need to be explored.

But gender affirming care calls for, like I said, just the automatic affirmation of this new identity, and that act—that’s a very dangerous thing to do.

Colleen (Host): Yeah, for sure. And it doesn’t seem like that happens for any other—if you have someone who comes in with an eating disorder, you wouldn’t affirm the eating disorder and say, “Yes, you should eat less food.” We don’t do this for other things that people are struggling with. So it’s interesting that this is the subject where it is happening.

Dr. Miriam Grossman:Well, yeah, and I think it’s a very apt comparison that you made, Colleen. Because, you know, a person who has anorexia nervosa looks in the mirror and they look fat. This could be someone who weighs 80 pounds and is 5 feet 5 inches tall—they’re clearly starving themselves and they look like a skeleton, and yet they look in the mirror and they see fat.

And nothing you say can convince them otherwise, so they have a delusion. A delusion is a fixed false belief.

And these kids who have gender dysphoria—not all of them, but some of them—do have a delusion because their beliefs are so fixed they will not hear, they will not participate in any discussion, they don’t want to hear any possible other idea about their condition, what it may mean, or where it may have come from.

In fact, many of them shut down and walk away. They’ve been taught, as part of this ideology—this dangerous ideology—that anyone who challenges their identity and doesn’t automatically accept it is a bad person, a toxic person, a transphobe, a hater, blah, blah, blah. And you don’t want to have those kinds of people in your life.

So this is what shatters families. Yeah, this is what leads to relationships within families that were previously close. This destroys families, Colleen.

Impact on Parents

Dr. Miriam Grossman: And that’s another reason why I wrote the book, because I encountered so many shattered families and so many parents whose suffering is—it’s just hard to describe, hard to listen to—really unbearable suffering. Yeah, in a way, they’ve lost their child, but in a way, they haven’t lost their child.

One of the most powerful chapters in my book is about what parents go through. The name of the chapter is Mourning the Living. I don’t know whether you got to it yet. It’s hard to read, but, you know, it’s horrific. It’s really hell. These parents are living in hell.

What upsets me so much is that my profession—the mental health profession—has contributed to that hell by their position on this issue, and they’re demonizing parents who won’t accept their child’s false persona. The parents know that it’s about other issues. It may be about trauma, or depression, or autism. The parents insist on being anchored in reality, and they will not go along with it.

It makes me very sad and outraged to say that the flagship mental health organizations—like the American Psychological Association, the American Psychiatric Association, and many more—ignore the trauma to the parents. Normally, mental health organizations are looking under every rock to identify and help people who have been traumatized, whether from natural disasters, accidents, violence, or whatever it may be. We reach out to them and say, “We’re here to help you. We’re here to help you deal with and understand your trauma.” We have groups, we have a webpage, etc., etc.

But these parents? Nothing. Nothing for these parents. So they’ve had to create their own grassroots support organizations, which I write about in the book too. Anyone listening to this, or in your audience, who might be going through this or know somebody who’s going through the trauma of having their child insist that they have a new opposite-sex or nonbinary—whatever that means—identity, they must know they are not alone, and they should not be going through this trauma by themselves. There’s so much help out there.

I’ll just give you the name of my website: MiriamGrossmanMD.com. On there, there’s really a lot of good material, but there’s a resource page with a long list of websites and organizations and other material that can be of great help to parents—not only parents, but grandparents, aunts, uncles. I’ll put a link in the description of this as well so people can go there.

Colleen (host): I was impressed by, in your book, you have the list of everyone who helped contribute, all the parents, and it was just names after names grouped by different states—or I’m not sure if they were grouped by state or by name—but it just impressed me how many people have stories from all over the country and all over the world about this.

Dr. Miriam Grossman:Yeah, what you’re talking about there is that I dedicated the book to parents of ROGD kids, which means rapid onset gender dysphoria, which is a description of the current condition that these kids have. So I’ve really talked to and dealt with hundreds and hundreds of parents, and I wanted to dedicate the book to those parents. So I list 500 parents from 17 different countries.

Colleen (Host): Yeah, it’s so sad. And that’s obviously a small representation of everyone who’s going through this right now. And it really struck home that nobody’s alone. This is something people are experiencing all over, and that parents—there are other parents out there who have gone through this and understand.

Gender Affirming Care is Not Evidence Based

Colleen: So, for any parents who are listening—A lot of times, if their child is experiencing something like this, many medical professionals will say that gender affirming care is evidence-based or that this is what the research dictates. Could you explain just some brief points for listeners about why that’s not true?

Dr. Miriam Grossman:My pleasure. That’s basically all I’m doing at this point in my life—explaining why gender affirming care is not evidence-based, and why if you come across a practitioner who states that they follow the recommendations of gender affirming care, you want to politely say, “No, thank you,” leave the office, and find another professional to help you.

Gender affirming care is based on the premise—I think I said this earlier—that children of any age, including children who may have a wide variety of mental illnesses or conditions, know best who they are and know best what treatment they need. So gender affirming care calls for putting the child in the driver’s seat, and for the adults—including doctors and therapists—to kind of step away and be led by the child’s sense of reality.

Obviously, we don’t do this in any other field of medicine. We really don’t do this in any other field of parenting, right? But here we are—gender affirming care.

In fact, the most comprehensive review of gender affirming care came out about a month or two ago, and it came out of the United Kingdom. It’s called the Cass Review Report.

Dr. Hillary Cass—Cass is a very prominent, veteran pediatrician in Britain—was asked to conduct a thorough review of all the literature and all the data regarding gender affirming care. This was a massive, massive project. It took four years, and her final report is 400 pages long. She worked with a team of researchers at York University.

Honestly, I’ve never seen anything like this. I have never seen a subject in medicine dissected, analyzed, and taken apart in such incredible detail with the goal of simply answering the question: What is the best way to help these young people?

Now, the reason why Dr. Cass was asked to do this is because in England, they had one central gender clinic for minors in London called the Tavistock Gender Identity Disorder Service. They were the busiest clinic in the world for minors with gender dysphoria. They saw thousands and thousands of kids since opening in 1989.

Now, when they first opened in ’89, ’90, early ’90s, they were seeing—Colleen, listen to this—they were seeing about 10 kids a year. Ten kids a year.

Now, in the year they were closed down—basically, they were closed down this year—I won’t get into all the details. Anyway, by the time they were closed down, they had something like, if you count the waiting list of kids waiting to get in, something like—I think it’s 5,000 referrals a year. Unless I’m confusing that with the 5,000% increase—there were thousands and thousands of kids being referred to the point that the waiting list was two years long.

And that’s one of the reasons, actually, that it was closed down. Aside from the fact that the practices there were found to be unsafe, it was found to be basically just a place where kids were being put on an automatic path toward medicalization without sufficient exploration, without sufficient questions being asked.

They had such a crisis at the Tavistock clinic that the therapists there were so upset about being pressured to send the kids for hormones that 30 of them resigned in protest. So it was a huge calamity. It was covered extensively in the press in the UK, but not so much here. Here, it was covered by—guess what—the conservative press.

But this was really a national medical calamity. There are thousands—I don’t know the number—of lawsuits being brought against this clinic now. The interesting thing is that they were practicing gender affirming care at the Tavistock Clinic, the one that was just shut down. And that is the same care we are practicing in this country at this time.

The same care—the same rubber-stamping of young kids with other mental health issues, medicalizing them, giving them hormones to interrupt their natural puberty, and then following those puberty blockers with estrogen and testosterone that will either feminize or masculinize their bodies.

So, Dr. Cass was asked to do this because she is a very prominent, respected pediatrician—and she is not a gender specialist. That was one of the main reasons they asked her to do it. Because this field is so polarized, they wanted to find somebody who would be neutral, look at the evidence with a fine-tooth comb, and report on the findings. And that is what she did.

We don’t have that much time, but I will, in a nutshell, tell you, Colleen—let’s start first of all with social transition. What did Dr. Cass’s team find about social transition? Meaning, new name, pronouns, appearing different, going through life differently—outfits, hairstyle, etc.—using the opposite sex bathroom?

Dr. Cass and her team determined, in looking through all the data on these kids—thousands of kids—that there was no evidence of benefit in kids of social transitioning. In teenagers, there may have been evidence of mild benefit, so this is very important.

The other thing she said in her recommendations is that we should not be automatically socially affirming kids. If this comes up in a family, what you need to do is seek professional help, have the child examined, look at the family, and help the family with whatever issues are going on. It should not be a knee-jerk kind of thing, which is what we’re being told here.

Colleen (Host): And when you say professional help, you mean a professional who isn’t going to automatically affirm what the child’s going through?

Dr. Miriam Grossman:That’s correct. So, this is a really, really important thing—and that’s before there are any blockers and before there’s any testosterone. Just the idea of agreeing to a new name, pronouns, and a new identity.

We are being brainwashed to think that it’s just kindness. We’re being led to believe that this is showing respect for the child, that it’s showing kindness for the child, that it’s going to help the child’s distress, that it’ll help the child discover their authentic self.

But to the contrary, we know that kids who are socially transitioned, particularly at a younger age, are more likely to then have that identity solidified. They’re more likely than other kids who are not socially transitioned to go into the medical path. This is incredibly important.

The next thing: puberty blockers. Okay, I’ll just emphasize that puberty is a normal, natural process that everyone needs to go through in order to become an adult. And puberty is not just the development of secondary sex characteristics such as, you know, facial hair, lowered voice, breasts, and so on. Puberty involves nearly every system in the body, in particular the brain.

So puberty is a massive restructuring, rewiring of the brain. And the brain of a 25-year-old, because of puberty, is very, very different than the brain of a 12-year-old or even a 15- or 16-year-old. And we know this now—there’s no question about it, MH.

So puberty interrupts all that. And you see one of the differences between a mature brain and a child or adolescent brain is that the center in the brain called the prefrontal cortex, which is the center that is like the CEO of the brain—it is very rational, it looks at information slowly and deliberately, looks at the pros, looks at the cons, and then makes a careful decision.

Whereas a young, immature brain has an underdeveloped prefrontal cortex, and what they are basing decisions on is their emotions and their sort of gut feelings. “Oh, I want to eat. I’m going to eat this entire bag of potato chips. I’m going to have a quart of ice cream. I’m going to drive 90 miles an hour because it feels good. I’m going to have unprotected sex with lots of people.”

These are not decisions that are made by a mature brain that can understand that there are going to be consequences to all those things.

So we know that kids who are allowed to go through normal puberty—who start off puberty having gender dysphoria or develop gender dysphoria within puberty—if they are permitted to go through that normal biological process of maturation, they outgrow the gender dysphoria. They are able to come to terms with their body.

Now, many, many of them are gay or lesbian, but they no longer are in distress about their physical reality. And they, of course, maintain their ability to reproduce, to have a family. They maintain their normal sexual response, and they maintain their healthy bodies.

Whereas kids that have been put on blockers have a large, long list of medical issues, many of which we don’t even know about yet. It’s just—they’re just a big question mark. What happens to the brain when it doesn’t go through normal puberty when it’s supposed to? Yeah, what happens to that brain? We don’t know.

Colleen (Host): It’s really sad. We’ll see it in the coming decades—the effects of this. But it’s just so sad to think about all these people who are going to be negatively affected in their lives, both physically and emotionally and mentally, because of these hormones at a young age. And we don’t know how they’re going to affect them as adults because there have been no long-term studies.

Dr. Miriam Grossman: Correct.So, the Cass report, as I was saying, concluded that there is no evidence of benefit for either blockers, cross-sex hormones, or surgeries. They were never doing surgeries on under-18-year-olds in England, so the Cass report doesn’t deal with surgeries. But as a result of the Cass report, England will no longer, outside of clinical trials—meaning outside of a research setting in which very, very few kids are going to be accepted into research studies—but outside of that, these interventions will be unavailable.

Now, that change in England comes after similar changes in countries like Sweden, Finland, Norway, Denmark—all those countries have revised their approach, and they are no longer employing gender affirming care with their minors.

Colleen (Host): Do you think there’s hope that something similar will happen in the United States?

Dr. Miriam Grossman: I don’t see how it can’t. So, I’m actually very optimistic. At the time, a year ago, I was not, but so many things have happened. The Cass report is only one of them, but it’s a big one—a really big one.

So, yeah, I am hopeful, of course. Of course, you know, even if it’s harder for young people to gain access to these medical interventions, they’re still going to be indoctrinated with the ideology—indoctrinated with the idea that there’s no such thing as male or female; that those are, you know, that the idea of men and women—the idea that humanity is divided into these two categories—is an idea that came from straight white men, invented this idea, and that it’s an oppressive idea, it’s a wrong idea, and that there’s a spectrum between, you know, male and female, and that a person can move along that spectrum at any time of their life, and so on and so forth.

So this is a dangerous ideology because it’s not based on truth. Very, very confusing to kids, especially young kids. So parents do need to be vigilant, need to discuss gender with their children from an early age. Don’t wait until your 13-year-old comes home and, you know, drops the nuclear bomb at dinner—that he’s no longer your son, he’s your daughter. That’s—you know, I mean, I explain in the book what to do when that happens as well, but I much prefer for parents to reach their child at an early, early time, and to explain even to a young child that they were a boy or a girl from the moment of conception, from the moment that they came to be, the moment that they were created within their mother’s body, that they were either a boy or a girl, and that’s a wonderful thing—and that’s permanent.

Yeah, now at the same time, Colleen, I really want parents to understand—and for them to tell their children—that there’s no one way of being a boy or a girl. There are many ways, and there are many different kinds of boys and girls.

And, you know, with the stereotypes—you see, the gender ideology depends on stereotypes. So that boys who might be, in terms of their personality, perhaps more feminine— you know, not into rough-and-tumble play and football and cars and trucks, and has other interests and prefers spending time perhaps with girls—that doesn’t mean he’s not a boy.

But those boys are being targeted, yeah, and they’re being led to believe, you know, “Maybe I’m actually not a boy,” and that’s where you’re getting into a lot of trouble.

Colleen (Host): Yeah, I was going to say, I had Dr. Jennifer Morse on the podcast last year, and she was talking about how gender ideology is bringing back the toxic stereotypes—like, we got rid of them, and now we’re bringing them back. That you have to wear a dress to be a girl, and all these things that society has gotten rid of, and now it’s coming back in full force in a very toxic way.

Dr. Miriam Grossman: It really is just so bizarre. I mean, my generation was all about, you know, destroying those stereotypes. But anyway, parents need to introduce these ideas very early, before the child is exposed to gender ideology. And they’re going to be exposed to it—unless you’re, you know, Amish or living somewhere off the grid—they are going to be exposed to it very early on.

And you want your child to see the red flags. And when they hear the phrase “sex assigned at birth,” I want children to immediately recognize, no, no, that’s not right. Sex is not assigned at birth. Sex is established, you know, the moment that you’re born. It’s not a random decision by someone in the delivery room when you’re born.

How Social Media Promotes Transgender Ideology

Colleen (Host): Yeah, it’s in your DNA—the XY and the XX—and you can’t change that. One thing that I was surprised about in your book—well, I guess I wasn’t actually that surprised because I’ve seen it in individuals that I’ve known and heard about—like Chloe Cole. I was listening to her story at one point.

It was the role of social media, especially girls who think that they’re boys, and then also pornography. Could you just speak briefly about the roles that those play in these situations?

Dr. Miriam Grossman: Yes, that is a major point in my book that I bring out for parents—they have to be in control of their child’s internet use.

It’s not something that’s up for debate. You must. And I have an entire appendix—I have a bunch of appendices at the back of the book—and one of them was written by an expert, an IT expert specifically for parents, on how all the various options of filters work.

But it’s much more than filters—it’s actually getting into your child’s social media and being able to monitor what they’re doing and who they’re talking to.

Trust me, I have seen so many families in which kids have been seduced into gender ideology and terribly harmed by it through somebody that they met online—either another kid their age or somebody older who’s grooming them. So you really, you have to be on top of that.

To say nothing of, you know, all the YouTube videos—thousands and thousands of hours of kids on YouTube who are documenting their gender transitions, and they are, you know, euphoric and so happy and confident. They’re saying, “This is what I always needed. This is a solution to all my problems. I’m not anxious anymore, I’m not depressed anymore.” And your kid looks at that and says, “That’s what I need. That’s the answer to my issues.”

So I explain all of this in the book. I also—just getting off the social media and internet issue—I encourage parents, if possible, to take your child out of public school, out of government schools if you are able. If you are not able, then you can be proactive. You must be proactive.

And you have to know what’s going on at the school. You have the right as a parent to be in charge of your child’s education. You have a right to know what is going on in the classroom—what sort of topics, what books, what videos are going to be shown, what the assemblies are going to be about, what clubs are at school that may entice your child.

You have a right to know about that—that your child is a member of these clubs. You have to really watch out for schools because, unfortunately, you know this, Colleen, and probably your audience does too—there are activists in our schools that are only too happy to come between you and your child. And very young as well.

Colleen (Host): I remember Ryan Anderson—I listened to a talk he gave—and he was talking about how kids as young as four are being told about the gender unicorn and how gender is fluid. And that was six, seven years ago that I heard him speak.

Dr. Miriam Grossman: Well, now, right—so forget about four or five years old. Let’s talk about board books. So, you know, a board book is to be read to a child who’s, you know, one or two even. I mean, board books are basically for babies.

Yeah, so they have board books now that tell children that you cannot know if someone is a boy or a girl unless you ask them. And that when you were born, these are what kids are told, “When you were born, the grown-ups made a guess, and that guess may have been right or it may have been wrong.”

Wow. That’s what’s going on. So, you can’t be too careful. You shouldn’t think that it’s not happening in your area, because it is. Yeah, and, you know, the ideal really is to get your kids off social media, to not give your child a smartphone.

That’s not always possible, although, you know, if you are part of a community and all the parents decide to do that and have that policy, it becomes feasible to do that—no smartphones.

It’s such a good—I mean, there’s just, even aside from this issue, there have been so many studies coming out about how bad social media, smartphones, and screens are for kids developmentally and emotionally. So it’s a good decision across the board, it seems to me—except, obviously, it’s good to be able to have a means to communicate with your child if they’re off somewhere. But aside from that, you can do that with something that’s not a smartphone.

Yeah, so the earlier you start, the better. There are incredible books that affirm a child’s sex—affirm a child’s biology—even for little kids. And I have some of them on my website. Beautiful, beautiful books, actually.

And I encourage parents to purchase those for your children. And also, you don’t have to read— I did an audio version of my book, and I did the narration myself, which was actually great, a very, very interesting thing for me to do. And people love that because you’re going to hear my passion and my anger coming through as you listen.

So instead of a 300-page book, I mean, the audio version, by necessity, couldn’t have every single thing that the hardcover version has. But if you’re someone who likes to listen instead of read, then that’s a good option.

Colleen (Host): I found it a very easy read as well. It was very engaging, but I wasn’t getting bogged down by so much information that I was like reading every page three times. It was very well done, so I’m glad to hear that.

Well, thank you so much for coming on the show today. This has been very interesting. It’s such an important topic, especially for parents, but also for everybody to be aware of. So I’m glad we can use the internet to promote the good ideas and the true ideas and not—

Dr. Miriam Grossman: Yes, yes, we certainly can. I mean, the internet itself is neutral. There’s so much good—so much good that can be—that’s done through the internet, but it has the dark side as well.

Colleen (Host): Well, thank you so much and thank you for everything you’re doing.

Dr. Miriam Grossman: You’re welcome.

Colleen (Host): And I’ll put the links to your book and to your website in the description so people can check those out as well.

Dr. Miriam Grossman: Okay, excellent. You know what? If you have room, maybe you could also link to my congressional testimony.

Colleen (Host): Sure.

Dr. Miriam Grossman: Because that’s just a few minutes and that was a good thing.

Colleen (Host): Yeah, definitely.

Dr. Miriam Grossman: Okay, Colleen, thank you.

Colleen (Host): And to all of our listeners, please like, follow, and subscribe, and check out the new ebooks that we have coming out. Keep on living the culture of life. I’ll see you next Thursday. God bless.

(This transcript was AI generated. Please verify any quotations with the original audio).